As one can see from the previous post, the Left believe Loughner to be the Right Hand of Palin, a pawn of the TEA Parties and a Roboticon built by GW Bush — with the control panel placed squarely in the palm of Glenn Beck, ably-abetted by Rush Limbaugh’s urging.
First:
Unlike others who won’t or can’t do some research of their own, and have no blog or locale of their own where their thoughts can be challenged, Loughner’s own YouTube channel link is here.
His MySpace site is here as “fallenasleep.” It has since been deactivated.
In his YouTube channel, it is confirmed that one of his favorite books is indeed “Mein Kampf”:
Screenshots from his MySpace page are here.
Christian Science Monitor indicates that DHS thinks Loughner “may have been” linked to American Renaissance. The DHS memo, acquired by Fox News and displayed on GretaWire, is reproduced in full here:
MEMO:
“The investigation has been taken over by the FBI, and is being run through the Tucson Command Post. Here’s what can be confirmed at this time (1800 hrs)… * Gabrielle Giffords Is in ICU.* Federal judge John Roll is deceased. He did rule on a 32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit in February, 2010. That ruling brought death threats to Roll and his family, and for a time he was given a protection detail.* 6 deaths attributed to the shooting. 19 total people hit by gunfire.* suspect’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors* the suspect has multiple arrests … But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?* no direct connection – but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate.* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation… Computer forensics is cleaning up the surveillance videos, and images from around the scene, and involved in the investigation – working together, was MCSO, DPS, Phoenix PD, ICE, and of course the FBI. It did just come in from the command post, that the federal judge was Not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, according to wife. She stated that he received a phone call about an hour before and was invited to attend. Wrong place – wrong time. For the planning side, there are impromptu memorials popping up all over the state, but the largest one is downtown phoenix, at the capital.”
First, do your own research and determine if you think Loughner is linked to AR.
Second, note that AR is typified as being anti-Jew therefore anti-Israel. Take the time to read AR’s response to the accusation here. AR makes one rather salient observation: “If this memo is typical of the research done by the Department of Homeland Security, our country is in serious danger.” I concur.
Third, anyone with a modicum of understanding of the TEA Party knows that there is no greater a supporter of Israel than TEA Party members, hence supporters of Jews. The TEA Parties have even been compared to the Weather Underground.
DHS also think that members of the TEA Party may be domestic terrorists themselves, just as those who embrace and believe in the US Constitution.
The specious bullshit that Loughner is anything more than a lone crackpot and is a puppet of Palin and Beck is just that. It is common knowledge that these people, this cabal, is also responsible for the cavities in our teeth.
Again, my thoughts and prayers to the families of the dead and injured; God bless them all.
BZ
I won’t be the first to say facts won’t get in the way of the “Progressives” agenda. The crap started appearing on Facebook postings within minutes of the event. One posting was by a tenured university professor. Guess he can’t use the critical thinking he teaches for his own purposes.
Nice Glenn Beck loony spin! If you can’t see this is result of the hate and fear mongering from the right and the encouragement of violence, you’re a bigger loon than I thought.
George Packer, of The New Yorker writes:
…for the past two years, many conservative leaders, activists, and media figures have made a habit of trying to delegitimize their political opponents. Not just arguing against their opponents, but doing everything possible to turn them into enemies of the country and cast them out beyond the pale. Instead of “soft on defense,” one routinely hears the words “treason” and “traitor.” The President isn’t a big-government liberal—he’s a socialist who wants to impose tyranny. He’s also, according to a minority of Republicans, including elected officials, an impostor. Even the reading of the Constitution on the first day of the 112th Congress was conceived as an assault on the legitimacy of the Democratic Administration and Congress.
This relentlessly hostile rhetoric has become standard issue on the right. (On the left it appears in anonymous comment threads, not congressional speeches and national T.V. programs.) And it has gone almost entirely uncriticized by Republican leaders. Partisan media encourages it, while the mainstream media finds it titillating and airs it, often without comment, so that the gradual effect is to desensitize even people to whom the rhetoric is repellent. We’ve all grown so used to it over the past couple of years that it took the shock of an assassination attempt to show us the ugliness to which our politics has sunk.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2011/01/judging-from-his-internet-postings.html
The left can try as hard as they can, but those that knew him personally say that dog won’t hunt.
And the sooner the left comes to the full realization we went through a bloodless revolution in November they need to learn a lesson from, the better chance we have of avoiding a VERY bloody revolution. (I fear that learning won’t happen.)
If you comment here and you’re an idiot, you are playing with fire and may eventually be burned.
Notice the problems on that book list for the Left? Communist Manifesto, Meing Kampf, Animal Farm, Farenheit 451, Brave New World… socialism, fascism and dystopian futures with powerful States. Also these are all ‘journey’ books, and most of them get a dark journey where enlightenment comes at a high cost, if at all.
The man is deranged and if those books are truly what he likes (and there I have some doubts) then he is not a well man. Who, at 21, has Mein Kampf in their ‘favorites’ list? Or Peter Pan? The Communist Manifesto? These are NOT the books that define a conservative, and even The Republic isn’t all that much associated with any political axis so it can’t be put into the exclusive territory of the Right.
Then come out the smear merchants trying to associate this individual with anything on the Right and the actual, real, evidence is? Zip. Nothing in the way of actual ties of this killer with conservatives or Tea Partiers. At best anarchists, which are a form of Leftist these days (Black precedes Red or Brown since the 20’s). So where are the records of this man actively supporting the Tea Party? Reading Adam Smith, say? Or Hayek? The Holy Bible? No, its all just the opposite, and yet the smear merchants will ignore that and smear.
Look at the man, his works, his interests and his output. That is not exclusively Left or Right, but it does tend in one direction and that is to a dark and twisted soul unhinged from this world. Shame on the Left for trying to make political points with murders like this… if they could feel shame, of course, they wouldn’t try to link this with politics.
Tomorrow the left will also try and lay blame on the boy scouts, Christians, and people wearing fur coats.
Bob Mack
But, of course, there’s absolutely no partisan rhetoric on the Left. Why, the mere thought of that would be absurd!
Saying this would be akin to saying that Islam really IS the religion of peace, tolerance and understanding.
Which, of course, it clearly is.
BZ
The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, videos of flag burning…
Yup, sounds like all the hallmarks of the conservative movement to me.
This loon has basically been following Giffords since 2007 or before.
And I know we shouldn’t feed the trolls, but here’s a question for deaconbleu: Know these names?
Bill Sparkman
Amy Bishop
Nidal Malik Hasan
Joe Stack
Michael Enright
J. Patrick Bedell
Need a clue?
They’re all people who did horrible things and the media immediately labeled them right wing hate-mongers.
They weren’t.
Neither is this one.
cjh
I wonder how Loughner chose the books on that list. I notice that the list of titles does reflect some of the books he must have been assigned to read in school.
Even if Loughner WERE part of the Tea Party Movement, what would such participation prove?
I did watch all of the videos on Loughner’s YouTube site. Note the rant about grammar. Sheesh. Reminds me of the delusions that proven schizos had. Remember Russell Eugene Weston, Jr.? He went on a shooting rampage, too. A paranoid schizophrenic.
AOW: except, did you catch some of HIS grammatical errors?
BZ
I don’t know which scares me more, the MSM or people like deacon who have to spout a position without even doing any due diligence as to the actual circumstances… This is NOT the time to play partisan politics… Just sayin…
27/7 hate and fear from the right for the past few years, the call to arms, to take back our country, to ‘restore the constitution,’ to overthrow the Muslim in the White House,to ‘reload,’ to be ‘armed and dangerous,’THAT’S what the issue is.
Keep carrying water for those who will screw you in the end.
As Insty said:
“To paraphrase Justice Cardozo (“proof of negligence in the air, so to speak, will not do”), there is no such thing as responsibility in the air. Those who try to connect Sarah Palin and other political figures with whom they disagree to the shootings in Arizona use attacks on “rhetoric” and a “climate of hate” to obscure their own dishonesty in trying to imply responsibility where none exists. But the dishonesty remains.
To be clear, if you’re using this event to criticize the “rhetoric” of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you’re either: (a) asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?”
Yes, yes indeed there is substance lacking to the Leftist assertions.
Really, two GOP politicians in the last 2 months advocating her assassination is lacking substance? Riiiight! Lol! Nice try!
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/sarahpac_targets.jpg
http://www.rawstory.com/images/new/jessekellyontargetgiffords.png
Blew a decon…
Check out the hate fest over the last 8 years… Check out the targeting of Right side law makers…. IF you are so dense as to think your liberpuke buddies are “Saints” and the right side caused this I suggest your head out of your ass.
Funny thing is, politics was kind of civil until your ilk started with the vitriol during the Bush years… But that’s okay Db, I understand your problem, it’s pure ignorance that you get from watching Olberdouche, Tingles and listening to Bawney Fwank…
Get a clue DB you may be salvageable.. Doubtful, but I guess anything is possible…
Bring a Knife, I’ll bring a gun… HAhahahahaha… You are a classic DB thanks for the laugh.
If you tell them that their elected officials are tyrants and “domestic enemies,” you’re not allowed to then be shocked at actions appropriate to resistance to tyranny. If you suggest that the President and his party are, traitorously, deliberately helping terrorists, then it’s on you if someone acts as if that statement were true. If you pretend that liberal reforms such as guaranteed access to health insurance are “socialist,” and conflate socialism with Communism, and point out (correctly) that Communism under Stalin and Mao was a doctrine used to justify mass murder, then the logic of your position indicates that killing liberals is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. So don’t be surprised if some of them do it.