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CHP purchases V6 Dodge Chargers

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From having been shamed whilst driving Mommy’s SUVs, the CHP finds itself going back to sedans.

The newly-styled Dodge Charger.

I helped my department purchase and upfit its five 2004 Dodge Chargers as test beds with the Hemi V8. We learned a lot about the Charger. It understeered like a big dog, lacked trunk room, lacked rear seat prisoner room and constricted the passenger officer because of the upfitting issues involving vertical long gun mounts and laptop mount.

The other thing I discovered is that my Toyota RAV4 V6 SUV, chipped to 300 HP, could take the Charger’s 340 HP Hemi until it reached 3,400 RPM. Then the Charger simply said “buh-bye.”

California Highway Patrol officer Florentino Olivera stands in front of all three cars being used in Santa Ana, CA on Monday, March 20, 2017. The former mainstay is the Crown Victoria Police Interceptor by Ford Motor Co., left, The new Dodge Charger Pursuit and a Ford Explorer Explorer Police Interceptor. (Photo by KEN STEINHARDT,Orange County Register/SCNG)

Trust me, the new Dodge Chargers haven’t much changed. There are still issues. Also, the more airbags placed into a vehicle = the fewer airbag pathways that can be obstructed by equipment demanded in today’s technology-packed cop cars such as computers, laptops, electronic chargers, dash cams and speed tracking devices.

From MercuryNews.com:

CHP is switching from SUV-style patrol cars to sleek Chargers

by Alma Fausto

California Highway Patrol officers have begun hitting the road in sleek black-and-white Chargers as the agency starts replacing their SUV-style patrol cars.

The Dodge Charger Pursuit is moving into the agency’s fleet as the older cars retire, namely the prevalent Ford Explorer and on occasion the iconic, and now rare, Crown Victoria.

Of Orange County’s 80-plus CHP black-and-whites, five are Chargers.

“I really like the look of the Charger,” said Officer Florentino Olivera, who is based at the Santa Ana headquarters. “It just looks like a cop car.”

Right. Instead of Mommy’s SUV.

Once, the Crown Victoria – referred to by cops as the “Crown Vic” or CVPI – ruled the streets when it came to many police fleets, including the CHP. When Ford stopping making them in 2011, many agencies opted for other sedans.

Much as I hate to admit it, the Ford CVPI was one of the most forgiving vehicles law enforcement has driven in the past and will ever drive. I had a love/hate relationship with the CVPI as an EVOC Supervisor and instructor. But, truthfully, sigh, well, yeah, more love than hate. It only took 25,000 years for the car to ramp up to 250 HP from its unchanged 4.6 liter small block V8 at 210 HP. The prior generation 351-engined Crown Vics sported a jaw-dropping 180 HP.

When production of Ford’s CVPI halted in 2011, other manufacturers stepped in, including Dodge with its Charger and Chevrolet with its Caprice PPV — an actual vehicle borne in Australia via Holden and imported into the US. At no small cost.

Which is why it never succeeded. Costly import fees and parts access made the overall experience more expensive for agencies. That and Chevrolet/Holden halted Caprice production.

In 2013, the CHP went with the Ford Police Interceptor Utility, based on the Ford Explorer SUV. It could carry the Highway Patrol’s large load of equipment and is all-wheel drive. Other police agencies have also chosen the vehicle.

But when the CHP’s contract was up for renewal last year, the state decided to go back to a sedan. The California Department of General Services weighed performance, price and load capacity. The rear-wheel-drive Dodge Charger Pursuit met the CHP’s specifications, and was slightly less expensive and better on gas than the Ford.

Because it was a V6. Like the Ford Explorer. Let’s make some things clear.

Fran Clader, a CHP spokeswoman in Sacramento, said 588 Chargers have been purchased, with 122 on the road. They are being distributed across California when an existing car is inoperable or sometimes when one reaches 100,000 miles, if it isn’t running real well.

In all, the agency has 2,900 black-and-whites.

CHP ended up purchasing the 27A RWD package with the 5-speed transmission and  3.7L V6 engine rated at 292 HP, less than the Ford Explorer 3.7L V6 (304 HP) but more than the final production years of the Crown Vic. The 2016 Chargers were $27,140 per unit.

Once upfitted, Ford Explorers were damned near impossible to see out of when backing because of the rear seat cage, roll bar, lights and equipment. Most were spec’d with backup cameras in the rear view mirror and, had they not, there would be many more damaged law enforcement Explorers as well as other vehicles, buildings, fences and the like. Ergonomically, they were more comfortable and larger than Chargers. The Explorers were also plagued with transmission problems.

Frankly, the Charger fleet purchase was purely fiscal. Officers like the looks but, I sense, will come to be unimpressed overall, particularly with the anemic V6 and the limited interior room.

Conversely, CHP transitioned from the BMW R1200RTP authority motor to the Harley-Davidson FLHTP Electra Glide in 2014 which, at $28,381.00, has a base price more than the Charger. However, a 3 year/60,000 mile warranty covering all service and repairs makes the purchase price more palatable, something BMW did not offer.

Officers are of two minds about the bikes. Leggy officers enjoyed the BMW (a damned tall motorcycle) and its smoother engine. Shorter officers like the lower Harley but some are not keen on having their fillings vibrated for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for years.

CHP is also transitioning from their standard issue Smith & Wesson 4006 TSW stainless handgun in .40 caliber, to the Smith & Wesson M&P (military and police) in .40 caliber with their own CHP serial numbers, from CHP1018 – CHP908A. I have no current photo of this issue weapon, but will shortly.

So when you looked in your rearview and surmised “it’s just a V6 SUV,” you can do the same thing, only different. “It’s just a V6 Dodge Charger.” Different frame, different manufacturer, less horsepower.

Heads-up.

BZ

 

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Goodbye to the Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor

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Ford Crown Victoria - The Last Crown VicI write this post in retrospect, realizing that perhaps I should have written it at least two years ago. But, of course, those niggling points like Life tend to get in the way of things you wanted to do and things you actually did.

I make, however, this post in the mirrored reflection of having been a cop for over 40 years and having driven every vehicle known to Copdom, from the 70s to now. And all points in between. Including the CVPI for a number of years in its many iterations.

The Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor is dead. Long live the CVPI.

There. I said it.

Because as a cop, and an EVOC instructor, I had a love/hate relationship with the Ford CVPI.

First, please see the video. To me, now, this is a sad time.

A clearly delineated time ends now, the end of an era, the end of a training paradigm, the end of a series of instructors, and an end to a “tool,” if you will, that kept cops safe for years and years and years.

Though it was anemic (via a massive 4.6L V8 engine = to 280 cubic inches), and shallow, and underpowered, it also managed to have absolutely and clearly the worst front seats in the known universe, as well as the worst sound insulation and the loudest and most abrupt transmission. It was the Panther Platform taken to the Nth degree via body-on-frame.

Plus: it only took the CVPI roughly 2,175 years to increase its output from 200 to 250 hp in its final 4.6L form.

What it did have was: interior room, back seat room, and trunk room.

It also had exclusivity. And one other factor that I shall mention later.

For many years, at least in Fornicalia, Dodge and Chrysler ruled the cop car realms.  I drove this first:

1974 Dodge Monaco Cop CarWhat CHP purchased, many other agencies purchased as well.  So a monitoring of CHP purchases also reflected those of the rest of the state.

I also drove this next: http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/archives/363

I also drove:

1978 Dodge MonacoTwo of my favorite cars were the Pontiac LeMans Enforcer for 1976 and 1977, and the Pontiac Catalina in 1978.

1977 Pontiac LeMans EnforcerThe County of Sacramento Sheriff’s Department 600 and the 700 series Pontiacs were essentially the same, but with different cloth seats and colors. The front seats were very deep and you felt as though you were witnessing Life through a lower portion of the windshield.

The 800s included the Pontiac Catalina, which featured the MDT mounted high and right up in your face. The shotguns were mounted horizontally, directly above your head and attached to the cage. The shotguns in the 1978 Catalinas were mounted to the floor, under your legs.

After that, my department purchased a number of Chevrolet products until the first Crown Victorias emerged.  They were large and square and alternated between the 80s and 90s.

The absolute worst vehicle purchased by the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department was the Dodge St Regis or, as I enjoyed calling it, the Dodge St Slow-gis. This reprehensible excuse for a cop car was produced on a large body with an anemic 318 engine producing a whopping 155 HP — less horsepower my 2002 Subaru Outback Sport created. Zero-to-60 speeds were roughly an hour.

Here’s an actual story. I was rolling end of watch from District 4 to the North Station and, impatient as I was, floored my 1980 Dodge St Regis as I entered eastbound I-80 traffic. Just prior to my exit at Madison Avenue in the space of three miles, I had achieved the staggering speed of 79 mph. No. I am not kidding. Floored.

Then there were the early Ford Crown Victorias.

People in Patrol hated to have them on the street, because they drank gas like water, but they also, to the giddiment of cops, had great air conditioners.

They also had the world’s worst and twitchiest steering input; no matter.  Their air conditioners were great.

DSC07566A 2003 LASD EVOC vehicle here.  Because, whist in charge of my own EVOC course, I took the east and west coast trials seriously.

And all points in between.

DSC02183DSC05624And there you go.  Enough of this.

Say goodbye to the Ford CVPI.

It was a clearly simple vehicle.  And the one factor I failed to mention until now?

The Ford CVPI was incredibly forgiving.  It plowed when you wanted and oversteered when you wanted.

It took an amazing and astounding amount of abuse and still kept on track.

And there you have it.

I hated the bastard, and, simultaneously, I loved it.

The Last Crown Victoria, below, in its yard:

Ford Crown Victoria - The Last Crown Vic, Not ForgottenBZ

 

 

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