It takes more effort than you would think. Just ask Michael Newdow — a noteworthy and primarily unsuccessful Atheist.
First question: what amount of faith does it take to become an overarching Atheist?
Answer: more faith than you could imagine.
From StrangeNotions.com:
by Jimmy Akin
Filed under Atheism
“It takes more faith to disbelieve in God than to believe,” according to some Christian writers. That’s a rather dramatic and cheeky claim. I’m sure that, for some individuals, who feel powerfully convinced of the existence of God, that claim is true: For them it would be harder to disbelieve than to believe. But that’s not the way it is for everyone. The people who make the claim are on solid ground, though, in supposing that atheism involves a leap of faith. For a very large number of atheists, atheism itself is a position of faith.
Furthermore:
Christian authors sometimes point out that atheists display faith every day and that faith is a fundamental part of the human condition.
In everyday life, nobody has complete proof that:
- his food isn’t poisoned
- he won’t die in a car crash on the way to work
- his friends aren’t engaged in a conspiracy to harm him
- the accuracy of his own memory
Indeed, nobody has complete proof of even more fundamental things, like:
- the law of gravity won’t suddenly stop working
- the sun won’t explode today
- the existence of the external world
- the existence of other minds
- the axioms of logic
But this doesn’t stop people from acting on and believing precisely these things.
In doing so, they are exercising a form of faith, and atheists do that, too.
This refers me to those persons I quantify as the Religious Left.
They absolutely and unequivocally believe in Global Warming and — further — believe in true and unwavering Anthropomorphic Global Warming wherein there is absolutely no concrete proof for that stance.
If no one has realized this by now: there is global warming and there is global cooling and ne’er the twain shall meet. Cooling and heating is regional and there are droughts and there are floods. For the past three years captains on Deadliest Catch have encountered ice they’ve never seen before.
One question: where are the women in Atheism, pray tell?
First, women are more devout because they have to be. Women’s religiosity is directly related to economic security. The lack of a social safety net means that women, who are still responsible for the bulk of elder and child care, often need to rely on religious organizations to support themselves and their families. The Catholic Church alone has more than 2,500 local organizations that provide critical safety net services for more than 10 million people annually. The network of friends that develop around churches, mosques and temples likewise become essential partners in caring for families. Those communities are necessarily deeply enmeshed in the daily cadence of life. There are, as Sikivu Hutchinson explains in her book on this subject, Moral Combat, necessary connections between gender, religiosity and social justice. “The domino effect of de facto segregation, job discrimination, unemployment, foreclosure, mass incarceration, and educational apartheid has bolstered the influence of religious institutions in many black and Latino neighborhoods where storefront churches line every block,” she explained recently.
Second, sexism is real and has an effect on women’s participation and leadership within the atheist community. Rape jokes and sexual harassment, as penalties and tools to silence women, exist in atheist and secular groups as well as religious ones. Many people hold the tacit belief that atheism equals rationalism and rationalism is gender-neutral, and therefore sexism can’t exist among atheists. But critical thinkers do irrational things all the time — and unless they actively try to resist existing prejudices, they can easily fall into them. The discrimination based on class, race, gender and sexuality that we see in the broader culture exists in atheist and secular communities too, and requires the same dismantling.
Third, men of all ideological persuasions are overrepresented in media — why should atheists be any different? There are prominent, activist secular and atheist women in the United States. I started to write a list of names to add here, but I didn’t want to make their weeks a social media misery, because online abuse in this community mirrors similarly misogynistic abuse of public women elsewhere. It’s not that these women don’t exist, but that we are less likely to ever see them or hear their words. We see more male atheists because we see more males. Prominent atheist and secular men benefit from media that grossly prefers the speech of men. This is uncontestable by any meaningful measure. Rational people know this and can understand that it’s a media injustice contributing to power imbalances, but most people don’t do anything about it. Whether or not I respect their work, every time media runs a story featuring the names and photographs of the same three straight, older, white men that we’re so familiar with, these issues are perpetuated.
Fourth, I know it’s obvious, but it still bears saying: atheism and secularism are part of a movement, with leaders, on Earth. This social movement is no less subject to norms than anything else and we live on a thoroughly patriarchal planet. Have you seen pictures of any of the major economic summits in the world? Or the 100%men tumblr? When disruptive movements occur, women are always involved, but when these movements consolidate themselves, women are usually excluded from power structures. It happened in the French Revolution, it happen in the American Revolution, and it’s happening again now in post-revolutionary transitions in the Arab world. It requires massive and concerted effort to offset prevalent gender biases. It requires men, who have disproportionate power, to engage in seeking balance. The Women in Secularism Conference, started by Melody Hensley and the Center for Free Inquiry in 2012 is meant to address imbalance. This year’s conference, which began with an efflorescent expression of the problems at hand, was bigger than last year’s.
Fifth, it’s no exaggeration to say that managing sexism is exhausting, depressing and distracts from work women could be doing as visible spokespeople of fighting for higher and equal pay, or immigration policies that include uneducated women, or ending sexual predation, or advocating for the right to control our own reproduction. All of which, by the way, would probably contribute to the growth of secular and non-religious culture. (There are reasons why seven of the ten most religious states in the US are also rated the worse states for women to live in.) The need to constantly struggle against gender-based prejudice leaves women with less time and energy to work on any of these issues.
Of course.
There you go. So incredibly obvious.
BZ
My question, if they really don’t believe there is a supreme being, WHY do they spend so much time trying to tear that belief (that they don’t have) down???
And that, sir, is the crux of the biscuit.
BZ
I would like to say that I almost disbelieved my eyes when I saw your site on IE back to normal, a place for everything and everything in its usual place! A sigh of relief…and a huge ‘Thank you’.
I read this article and truthfully my eyes started to glaze over the more I read. Then I felt like gagging. What a bunch of claptrap. But I soldiered on and must be a better person for having done so. If anyone asks me where have all the women gone in the atheism movement I can say they are exhausted from dealing with gender prejudice and are taking a nap.
Seriously though, between the push to make homosexuality acceptable and this increasing focus on atheism we are well down the path to a godless, decadent society. I’m trying to think if there were any civilizations throughout history who went down such a path, much less flourished. Can’t think of one.
My blog Guru asked if you have the newest version of IE. He also noted that some developers are moving away from IE because it’s becoming programmer-unfriendly.
Abigail: soon, ANYthing goes.
On YOUR dime.
BZ
I have WindowsXP thus run IE8. For my computer it is faster to load and use than Chrome or FF.
As far as atheists are concerned, I don’t give a flying fig what they do or don’t believe. But acting as if they have been violated on some level by open displays of religion would be laughable if it didn’t have such consequences for the rest of us. Another case of the tail wagging the dog.
Old NFO, precisely. I believe it has to do with the fact that they don’t want to believe that there is a Great and Mighty Creator that will one day have to answer to, for all the crap they have done.
”The belief that there was nothing(wrong) and nothing(wrong) happened to nothing(wrong) and then nothing(wrong) magically(wrong) exploded(wrong) for no reason(wrong), creating everything(wrong) and then a bunch of everything(wrong) magically(wrong) rearranged itself for no reason(wrong) what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs(kinda true – over time).”
That whole caption was just one big argument from ignorance. Well done.
”It takes more faith to disbelieve in God than to believe”
No, in fact, it takes no faith at all. We are all born atheists, and then some of us are indoctrinated to follow a certain faith. It takes faith to believe that there is no god(s) because you can’t prove the unprovable, but it does not take faith to not believe in god(s), which is by definition what atheism is. I see creationists still have a hard time distinguishing theism/atheism and gnosticism/agnosticism.
”In everyday life, nobody has complete proof that:
his food isn’t poisoned
[…]
the law of gravity won’t suddenly stop working
the sun won’t explode today
[…]
But this doesn’t stop people from acting on and believing precisely these things.
In doing so, they are exercising a form of faith, and atheists do that, too.”
No. Now you’re just showing off you stupidity. I don’t know for certain that my food isn’t poisoned, but empirical evidence supports the theory that it probably isn’t. I’ve eaten several meals a day for my entire life and never once has it been poisoned. Therefor I have no reason to believe that my next meal will be poisoned either. Faith is belief WITHOUT evidence. We have plenty of evidence to suggest that the sun won’t explode tomorrow or that gravity won’t just suddenly disappear, that’s why we believe that those things won’t happen. That has nothing to do with faith. It’s the exact opposite of believing in something without any evidence – without reason – believing in a god.
”My question, if they really don’t believe there is a supreme being, WHY do they spend so much time trying to tear that belief (that they don’t have) down?”
Because unlike children believing in Santa and the tooth fairy, adult people with power believing in magical beings is not cute. You ask this question like you have no idea. You know, some people in America actually want these fairy tales to be taught as science in schools? Also, a lot of people are taking advantage of people’s faith. They’ve been fooled once so they’re easy to fool again. Just look at those American preaching shows with people rolling around on the floor claiming they’ve been touched by God. They’re actors of course, but all the poor nutters who see this throw all their cash at these scammers. You have no idea how many lives has been destroyed because of religion and religious people. You know, we don’t just ‘tear you and your religion down’ because it’s easy or fun, we do it because we care.
”we are well down the path to a godless, decadent society. I’m trying to think if there were any civilizations throughout history who went down such a path, much less flourished”
You can’t think of a godless society that flourished? Are you mental? The most successful countries today on all fronts are some of the least devout. Go figure.
”But acting as if they have been violated on some level by open displays of religion would be laughable if it didn’t have such consequences for the rest of us. Another case of the tail wagging the dog”
Fox viewer I’m guessing?
”I believe it has to do with the fact that they don’t want to believe that there is a Great and Mighty Creator that will one day have to answer to, for all the crap they have done”
1. No, it has to do with the fact that there is no evidence to support the claim.
2. You can’t ‘choose to believe’. Argument from ignorance. Also, even if I – not believing – said that I suddenly believed to save me from God’s anger, wouldn’t God be smart enough to see through that? I mean, if not, he is either stupid and easy to fool or cynical. You decide.
3. What is ‘all this crap we have done’ that you’re talking about? As far as I can see, religious people have a much more crappy history than atheists, and they’re still not doing great today. Religious people are for instance over-represented in prisons. If anything, it’s the people doing crappy things living crappy lives who think they can get relief by seeking forgiveness from God and hoping for a better life once they leave this Earth.
Thanks, Per, for coming to my blog solely to insult me, misspell words and call me names. Perfect. Keep it up sir.
Apparently you quite entirely failed to Grok the concept of the post. Clearly, because you are so much more intelligent that me, and have proven so. Well done! Or at least, medium rare.
BZ