Once again our beloved John “Jack” Murtha sticks his aged wingtip into his aged mouth and comes out with this:
American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to a crowd of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.Murtha was the guest speaker at a town hall meeting organized by U.S. Rep. Kendrick B. Meek, D-Miami, at Florida International University’s Biscayne Bay Campus. Meek’s mother, former U.S. Rep. Carrie Meek, D-Miami, was also on the panel.
Murtha is another Democrat who, perhaps at one time was a clear-headed thinker, but now says that the war cannot be won militarily and needs political solutions. He said our 100,000 troops in Iraq should be pulled out immediately, and deployed to peripheral countries like Kuwait. Tactically that makes excellent sense; let’s delay our response time as much as possible to Iraq when it begins to slip into flames as Sunnis fight Shiites over alignments and allegiances with the US against Islamists. I’m sure, as many Left leaners believe, that once we leave “bygones will be bygones” and all will play well in the sandbox and never run with scissors.
“We do not want permanent bases in Iraq,” Murtha told the audience. “We want as many Americans out of there as possible.”
It would appear that a number of Democrats enjoy comparing Iraq to Vietnam; there is one very close similarity that I should like to point out:
Like Vietnam, should we completely pull out of Iraq prior to as much stabilization of its government as we can acquire, there would in all likelihood be killing on the order of the Khmer Rouge reign, from 1975 to 1979, where an estimated 1.5 million to 2 million Cambodians were systematically murdered — after we fled Saigon in Hueys.
History does tend to repeat itself.
And the comparison of the United States to Iran and North Korea possessing nuclear capabilities in terms of a world threat?
Beyond ridiculous.
Moonbat.
BZ
If nothing else he’s really showing the Dems true colors….. white .. you sure he isn’t French?
Somebody needs to get the padded room ready, he’s officially psycho!!!!
It’s a wonder what he’ll say next. How sad that he seems to have forgotten history he lived through himself.
What is the old saying? Those who do not take history into account are doomed to repeat it? — or words to that effect.
BZ
Yes, that Congressional Class of ’74 has aged as well as fine vinegar left out in the sun too long. To these folks America can do no right… America is always wrong… and Americans should be ashamed of themselves forevermore for not *perfecting* itself the day after the Constitution was signed in 1787…
John Murtha wants to find a good way to end Viet Nam, save he calls it Iraq…
Yes, let us pull out after the VC are defeated and the third (or was it fourth?) army supplied by Russia and China was ready to throw in the towel… al Qaeda isn’t dead yet and hope can still be given to those last holdouts of the insurgency *if* John Murtha and John Kerry can just give them *hope* of an early US pull-out.
Meanwhile, Mohammed at Iraq The Model has this to say about those armed and not under the MNF or Iraqi government: You are all outlaws and will be treated that way. I do paraphrase, of course…
Amazing how far a bit of old hickory can travel…
AJ: I think perhaps you have hit the proverbial nail — Murtha may still “be” in Vietnam. . .
BZ
Murtha is still in training, the french are giving him lessons on white flag waving, just wait till he gets his masters in the art of surrender.
This story has taken so many twists and turns, if you blink, you’ll miss the next turn.
New developments are being being tracked at this news site:
http://theinfozone.net/JohnMurtha.html
A notable development: The original Sun-Sentinel’s article written by Elizabeth Baier, has been removed from their site and replaced with Ms. Baier’s revised story.
If any of you bookmarked Sun-Sentinel’s original article that has made them famous for their “the shot heard around the world”, check your bookmarked page now.
Interesting to note, it retains the original publication date June 25, 2006, and The Sun-Sentinel did not note this story is a revision.
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism is Flat, Too
This story has taken so many twists and turns, if you blink, you’ll miss the next turn.
New developments are being being tracked at this news site:
http://theinfozone.net/JohnMurtha.html
A notable development: The original Sun-Sentinel’s article written by Elizabeth Baier, has been removed from their site and replaced with Ms. Baier’s revised story.
If any of you bookmarked Sun-Sentinel’s original article that has made them famous for their “the shot heard around the world”, check your bookmarked page now. The significance of this is rather overwhelming. This weeks’ hysteria, and subsequent retractions and corrections is over something that “never happened”.
Interesting to note, it retains the original publication date June 25, 2006, and The Sun-Sentinel did not note this story is a revision.
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism is Flat, Too
Please read the following IN BOLD VERY CAREFULLY, if you value what we’re doing in any way, shape or form.
I’M JUST THE FORREST GUMP (SOME WOULD SAY ANDY GUMP) IN ALL THIS.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME. ANY TIME SPENT ACKNOWLEDGING ME COULD BE PUT TO MUCH BETTER USE ACTING ON THE REQUEST BELOW. YOU CAN SMILE AT YOUR OWN SMARTS IN FIGURING OUT WHAT ALL THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT WELL IN ADVANCE OF MAIN STREAM MEDIA FOLKS.
ALL THIS IS SOLELY ABOUT WHAT “THE WORLD OF JOURNALISM IS NOT FLAT, TOO” WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH, ASAP.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY.
HERE’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT. FOLLOW YOUR OWN “INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING”, SEE OF YOU FIND MORE MISBEHAVIOURS. WE HAVE A LOT WITH REGARDS TO FIRST “THE SHOT HEARD AROUND THE WORLD”, THAT GOT REPEATED EVERYWHERE.
If you find another MAIN STREAM MEDIA SOURCE that turns that FIRST PARAGRAPH INTO A DIRECT QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO MURTHA, DO EITHER A SCREEN CAPTURE OR CACHE COPY (PREFERABLY BOTH). I’LL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT, BELOW.
WE NEED MORE THAN JUST “GOT YA!” SAMPLES, WE NEED EDITORS TO STUDY THESE REPORTS CAREFULLY BEFORE THEY GET SENT TO US. THIS WILL KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE HUNT AND NOT BE WASTING TIME SHUFFLING THROUGH EMAILS THAT DO NOT PROVIDE SOUND DOCUMENTATION OF THE PARTICULAR MISBEHAVIOR BEING REPORTED.
We already know that the site drudgereport originally linked to, http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/ data/ 2006/ 06/ 25/ 20060625_183801.htm
at the Arizona star, has not changed their page, though I a significant editor there sent me an email saying it would be changed as soon as it was proven false. This is the kind of stuff that will be very helpful.
Sending links to sites as you found them, is useless. You must do a “save as” of the page, or a FULL SCREEN CAPTURE OF THAT PAGE. You’d be surprised at how stuff on a particular page you think is insignificant, is not. Get all that you can.
Here’s what to do with your evidence. Create an email with your evidence and commentary of what you’ve found, and attached files of your the related screen captures/cache files, then email them … to yourself. This will give you a tidy package to forward to us. We will have an email address for you to send these to in a few days. When we do, I will publish that all over the blog space.
The game’s afoot. (”pin the tail on the donkey”)
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
As of the date and time stamp of this posting the following is correct:
The original first paragraph written by Elizabeth Baier at the Sun-Sentinel has been removed. Since their original correction to their story and my constant vigilance and the constantly updated reporting at theinfozone.net, they have rewritten this entire original article.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story
What distinguishes this as unique is that though newspapers certainly update stories all the time, but when doing so, they are required by standard journalism practice to make clear it’s a revision, stating prominently at the top this story is a revision and updating the date of the article to the date of the revision. They have done neither.
Any impression created by this posting that this indicates that the Sun-Sentinel is covering up what they started by making all the uproar of this week over something that “never happened” is not my intent here. (legal disclaimers have become necessary)
Wait until you hear the new development today. The video of Murtha’s speech in Miami has been released.
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
As of the date and time stamp of this posting the following is correct:
The original first paragraph written by Elizabeth Baier at the Sun-Sentinel has been removed. Since their original correction to their story and my constant vigilance and the constantly updated reporting at theinfozone.net, they have rewritten this entire original article.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story
What distinguishes this as unique is that though newspapers certainly update stories all the time, but when doing so, they are required by standard journalism practice to make clear it’s a revision, stating prominently at the top this story is a revision and updating the date of the article to the date of the revision. They have done neither.
Any impression created by this posting that this indicates that the Sun-Sentinel is covering up what they started by making all the uproar of this week over something that “never happened” is not my intent here. (legal disclaimers have become necessary)
Wait until you hear the new development today. The video of Murtha’s speech in Miami has been released.
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
There are a whole lot more things going on behind the scenes with this story than have yet been reported, anywhere. Quite a few people far beyond Ms. Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause have shot themselves in the foot.
Write Diana Irey, John Murtha’s Republican oponent, asking her about the letter I sent her today.
email: Diana@Irey.com
Cliff Hancuff
The World Of Journalism Is Flat, Too
Looking at the large number of blog posts I’ve placed throughout the blogsphere in the last 2 weeks, I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking they look like spam.
My apologies to all.
Some interesting happened today. I received an email response from Bill Pasco(e) of Diana Irey’s campaign against John Murtha for the 12th District of Pennsylvania seat in the House of Representatives.
In responding Mr. Pascoe’s email, I found it useful to CC that response to him to Elizabeth Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause (Managing Editor Sun-Sentinel).
The topic of those emails was “Rovian Architecture Unplugged”. If you are interested to learn more, feel free to write them.
Make “Rovian Architechure Unplugged” your subject heading so they know what your inquiry is about.
Their email addresses:
Bill Pascoe
bill@irey.com
Elizabeth Baier
ebaier@sun-sentinel.com
Sharon Rosenhause
srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
This may help everyone understand my contempt for today’s Republican Party.
This is the origination of this Lincoln “quote”:
http://www.arthuravenuebronx.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1472
that ran in INSIGHT magazine opponent
http://www.insightmag.com/
which is part of News World Communications (see bottom of page in link above) own political mouthpiece of the Unification Church, the “Moonies”.
http://www.mediaowners.com/company/newsworld.html
I wrote Diana Irey offering her documented proof of what Lincoln never said, CCing all her campaign staff on, first on July 14th, and again on August 4th.
I wrote her, and her staff repeatedly warning them of the consequences of their inaction. If you’d like verification, write her campaign manager of record (Bill Pascoe, former Press Secretary of the RNC is calling the shots behind the scenes) at jason@irey.com and ask him about my repeated warnings.
If you choose to write, use this as the Subject Line “It’s showtime.”. He’ll know exactly what that means.
When all these efforts failed, I contacted factcheck.org with this very same evidence. Brooks Jackson was able to see what Ms. Irey, and her entire campaign staff refused to, more times than I can count.
He published this, last Friday:
http://factcheck.org/article415.html
(note the video clip in the top right corner)
I would like to tell you there’s some honor to Bill Pascoe’s “within hours” response here:
http://www.irey.com/news/contentview.asp?c=35681
In conclusion, it warrants mentioning how this “Moonie” Lincoln quote came into common use, without any questions to its authenticity.
Use Google to do a search for this quote. Go back 10-15 pages and you’ll find the older dates of its use. You’ll discover it was the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth who brought this fiction to life within weeks of Dr. Waller’s article.
You will find Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com has dusted this Moonie quote off and is using it for his “gimme’ your money” scheme, all over the net, including this gem written the chairman of Bailey’s PAC, in which it is used twice, for emphasis:
http://www.thereaganwing.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PagEd&file=index&page_id=538
It’s no accident that Diana Irey was boons-swaggled into using it.
Bill Pascoe and Kelli Phiel, the folks Robert Novak refers to as her “handlers” in this article:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15820&o=ENPR003
“Irey, who looks quite young, is a bit green, but her handlers see her as great raw material.”
I’ll give a dollar to anyone who can decipher the grammar, syntax, period occurring in the middle of the sentence, and random capitalization that occurs in the last sentence of this article.
If you are unfamiliar with who Pascoe and Phiel are, let me introduce you.
Pascoe is the gent who hung tough with Jack Ryan, even after Dennis Hastert rightfully withdrew all GOP support for him in 2004, when Ryan was exposed for insisting his wife go to sex clubs with him and have sex in public.
“Jack Ryan is in the race to stay,” said Bill Pascoe, Ryan’s spokesman.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0406250361jun25,1,933334.story
Pascoe also the one who called Alan Keyes and convinced him to move from Maryland to Illinois, to replace Ryan. I’ll let you Google that and for Kelli Phiel’s history working with Pascoe in the 2004 election.
I wish I could tell you that I’ve not written Diana Irey repeatedly about her “handlers” past, but I cannot make that claim.
Least you wonder about my interest in all this …
My family settled in what is now the 12th District of Pennsylvania in 1820, and have lived there ever since.
My great, great grandfather, after whom I am named in honor of, served in Lincoln’s Union Army. He made the supreme sacrifice for our country on March 23, 1862, serving Stonewall Jackson he only defeat in the Civil war.
Lincoln was, to borrow a title, “A Uniter”
When some goofball Republican operative abuses the reputation of our greatest Republican president, in a Moonie publication no less, for the expressed purpose of political gain for today’s Republican Party … it troubles me.
I suspect it will trouble you, too.
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too