Done deal. The reconciliation bill passed by a vote of 220 to 211.
This is it. Goodbye Amerika. I at least knew you when you were glorious, proud and independent.
BZ
Fait Accompli
Done deal. The reconciliation bill passed by a vote of 220 to 211.
Now that ObakaKare is a done deal, amnesty for illegal invaders will occur in order to shore up the Demorat voter rolls, and CapNTax will occur to decimate the business rolls. This will force more dependency on government which is one more step towards Cloward Piven.
You are about to acquire precisely what you wanted, Amerika.
BZ
Yep…In November our last gasp to regain our nation happens. IF it fails, CIVIL WAR is the only option.
“Once liberty is lost, it is never regained”. I didn’t look to see if those were the exact words our Founder used, but it’s close enough.
There will be no taking back America from this. BZ is right, illegals are next. They have to get an amnesty bill passed if they expect to stay in power, and they will. Free honest elections are done here in the banana republic.
Secession of conservative states is the only recourse. God rest the souls of the founders and their dream. It breathed it’s last this evening. Guns, ammo, and the essentials folks. From here on in, it gets ugly.
bd.. Boy don’t make come down there… Once your mom is done pleasing me I’m onna come down in the basement and whoop your ass…
Yeah BZ, Obamacare will be law. My hope is that the dow crashes tomorrow or soon after, doctors quit, small businesses shut their doors, and large companies move over seas. The only way we get our nation back to greatness is to awaken the people. Right now folks are asleep, some like bd there are brain dead….Time to make the sheep shake. Time to remove the blinders from the morons eyes. Idiots that follow Bill Maher and Olberdouche….Once Americans see the damage that has just been done, change can happen.
BD, f#ck you. See, all of these liberals love the idea of socialism, until they live in another country that has it. They don’t want to live there. Just wait until we’re deep into the heart of socialism bd, you will change your mind very quick. You won’t be able to speak how you do. BZ, I dony know if I can take that jack off for much longer. BD is a thorn in America’s side. I love debates, but he’s just an illiterate ass.
I feel really sorry for all of you. Talking about the total and utter collapse of our country over the passage of this into law.
Especially you, Bushwacko, advotcating armed revolution. You have no idea what it is like to be in a totalitarian dictatorship.
http://timsblogfest.blogspot.com/2009/11/berlin-wall-1984-orwellian-adventure.html
This is merely expanding private insurance and you all know that unless you are either ignorant (which can be corrected) or just plain stupid (which can’t be). This bill has been stripped of anything remotely progressive. There are many things that I don’t like about it but it’s the best that we can do now. It’s much better than doing nothing at all. How many of you make over 200K a year? If you do your taxes go up less than 1%. Big deal. How many of you get your insurance through your employer? That will not change. Truth is, this bill will affect only those without health insurance, because now they will be able to get it.
Greywolfe, please! Take all of your reactionary friends, move to Texas, rename it “Born Again America” and leave the union. You will not be missed.
And thanks to those of you who wanted to punish the Republicans by not voting in 2006 and 2008. You aided and abetted in this.
Krauthammer said last night this would not be repealed.
BZ, I think you are right about immigration reform, but they won’t get that done by November.
I plan to monetarily fund, to the point of sacrifice, good conservative candidates in other states.
BZ, who is this chinese guy that keeps writing. Very strange? Btw, “The shit had hitteth the fan.”
Hey, Tim, quick question: Where is Michigan going to get the money to pay for the costs of this expanded health care system? You know, the unfunded Medicare/Medicad costs? I mean, as a state, Michigan is doing so gloriously well right now with its nation’s highest unemployment rate and collapsing business infrastructure… No money for education but sure, we have it for this monstrosity just sitting around.
Anyone who doesn’t understand that this bill will reduce care, increase premiums, and result in rationing is asleep or stupid. You cannot add 20 million people to an already overburdened system and have the results be anything else.
cjh
Tim, please don’t be disingenuous. You know full well this is the nose into the camel’s tent. The main thrust of ObakaKare and the Demorats is to acquire full, government-run and -controlled Single Payer healthcare. Period. This is just the first step. Most people realized this and THAT’S why the push from We, The People. You think the Demorats are just going to stop here?
BZ
BZ- Let’s not extrapolate 30 years into the future. If Single payer does come to pass, that is how long it will take, or even longer. The changes taking place now are years away except children with pre-existing conditions, and dropping your coverage when you get sick. Both things that Republicans claim that they are in favor of.
Republicans. On the wrong side in the 1930’s with Social Security, in the 1940’s about stopping the Axis, In the 1960’s with Medicare, and still on the wrong side today.
But always willing to hand over more money to the corporations…
If – IF! – this is, as BZ suggests, the “nose in the camel’s ten” (a great visual BTW), that’s something we won’t know until it happens. At that point of happening, he’d be proven right. Until that time, it’s just guesswork.
ON the other hand, this is also typical of philosophical “lines in the sand.” To wit: draw a line in the sand 6 inches in front of you, and claim that stepping over it is no big deal. Do that often enough, even in those small increments, and you lose track of where you started. Just because something is a slippery-slope argument, doesn’t make it impossible. In other words: are you still being paranoid if they really ARE out to get you?
This is the news quote that resonated with me: “House Democrats voted 219-212 late Sunday to send legislation to Obama that would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans, reduce deficits and ban insurance company practices such as denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions.” All things being equal: would success at reaching those (lofty) goals be bad for our country?
I am posting this on my current post about this madness. Enjoy!
And now, the end is near,
And so I face the final curtain.
My friends, I’ll say it clear;
I’ll state my case of which I’m certain.
I’ve lived a lie that’s full –
I’ve marveled each and every byway.
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Regrets? I’ve had maybe one or two,
But then again, there’s none to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without compassion.
I planned each charted course –
Each careful step along the byway,
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Yes, there were times, I’m sure you knew,
When I bit off more than I could chew,
But through it all, when there was no doubt,
I ate you up and spit you out.
I faced it all and I stood tall
And did it my way.
I’ve lied, I’ve laughed and cried,
I’ve had my fill – my share of choosing.
But now, as your tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.
To think I did all that,
And may I say, not in a shy way –
Oh no. Oh no, not me.
I did it my way.
For what is the US? I’m a citizen! NOT!
If not for money – I would be caught.
To say what the truth really reveals
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way.
Yes, it was my way.
Again, Tim, this is not ME speaking, it’s the Demorats themselves. Check the video on my newest post. All of them in THEIR own words, not mine. I do what I call the Logical Extension not from “pie-in-the-sky” theories but from facts and history.
Animal: also, click on the video. Single Payer is THE ultimate goal of the Demorats and Leftists. In THEIR words.
And now that ObakaKare has passed, can’t we now expect Obaka’s numbers to SKYROCKET?
Can’t we now expect unemployment numbers to drop?
Can’t we now expect our deficit to begin dropping?
Can’t we now expect Wall Street to rally even further?
Medicare and Medicaid decline more cases than any other insurance agency in the country, in a percentile. When rationing begins it may be determined that you are not SUITABLE to keep you alive in terms of pure dollars and cents.
It’s happening in Canada, it’s happening in the UK. They say you have coverage but you will not get the same care.
Single Payer, government-controlled ObakaKare is not “theorized” — it is STATED and, again, this is just the beGINning.
This is NOT about healthcare, this is about turning this nation into a country of dependents.
There will be more people PULLING from the system than those with the fiscal ability to FUND it.
WHAT THEN?
BZ
Damn BZ, when are you going to learn man?? You can’t win when you wrestle a PIG in the mud, the PIG likes it…
Now, that PIG remains unnamed, but lets see who exhibits the most paranoia…
Zep: I would agree that single-payer is the goal of the most Left-oriented Congressmen and -women. Thankfully, they represent a tiny portion of the Legislative chamber, and I don’t really see that changing. That said: the clip of Barney Frank advocating single-payer is hardly surprising. He IS one of those extreme lefties, and he loves him some good sound bites, so he pretty much says the thing that’ll shock & titillate.
The rest of that video? Um…just seems to be cut & edited in a way so as to arrive at a pre-determined outcome. Quoting Pres. Obama backward through time, from 2009 to 2007 to 2003, doesn’t represent the chronology of his outlook, as far as I can determine.
The source of that video as well: “Naked Emperor News”? That hardly seems like an UNbiased source. I look at the rest of the photos and videos on the home page, and it more closely resembles the National Enquirer than Fox or CNN.
Will this health bill lead down the road you fear? Maybe. Maybe it will. Or, maybe it won’t.
If it DOES lead down that road, will it be bad for the country? Maybe.
Either way…we’ll see. Meantime, I quite like your solutions for Congress on that most recent post. They all seem logical to me…although I (sadly) don’t think we’ll see power-hungry pols vote themselves out of their perks anytime soon.
ok Tim, you seem like a somewhat intelligent guy, although it’s all your professors talking points…
This HC package is a government grab of industry, similar to the GM grab. When you allow the GOVERNMENT to MANDATE you to BUY something, when the The Government becomes the “Nanny” it becomes out of control. Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it.
Tim you have lost faith in America? You believe that the government must care for all of us? It’s a sad day when idiots that are supposed to be Americans sit back with their hands out and expect to be spoon fed by a nanny state. Not surprising just sad.
And exactly where did I advocate armed violence? I said we have two choices, after November it may be you advocating violence because you may have to become less dependent on Government…Wake the fuck up will ya?