(Thanks Judy.)
Stewart Rhodes, left, founder and spokesman of Oath Keepers, talks to Kyle Zortman, 17, of Cedar City, Utah, right, along with Oath Keeper members John Francois, second from left, and Pat Kerby of Pahrump during the Crossroads of the West Gun Show on Saturday at Cashman Center.
Photos by K.M. Cannon.
A member of the Southern Nevada chapter of Oath Keepers who declined to be identified works on the group’s Web site during a meeting to plan the inaugural national conference of Oath Keepers in Las Vegas later this month.
Dave Freeman, national peace officer liaison and Southern Nevada director of Oath Keepers, right, says the group, which was founded in Las Vegas earlier this year, is standing up for the constitutional rights of Americans. Critics of the group say Oath Keepers draw members into “a world of false conspiracy theory.”
Dave Freeman, a leader of Oath Keepers, right, and Stewart Rhodes, the founder of Oath Keepers, discuss plans for the group’s inaugural national conference in Las Vegas later this month.
Depending on your perspective, the Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.
“Oath Keepers”? Who are they? Go here.
And the LVRJ just happens to be “involved” now because Oath Keepers are holding their 2009 conference in Las Vegas on October 24th and 25th.
From the LVRJ article:
Launched in March by Las Vegan Stewart Rhodes, Oath Keepers bills itself as a nonpartisan group of current and retired law enforcement and military personnel who vow to fulfill their oaths to the Constitution.
Because those who support and defend the Constitution are already suspect under the current Obama Administration — and because the Obama Administration already asked citizens to “turn in” other citizens when their information was not congruent (“fishy”) with the propaganda issued forth from the Obama White House — the comparisons between various fascist regimes are naturally forthcoming. Bush, the “labeled fascist” that he was — even GWB didn’t attempt to mark and limit those who disagreed as Mr Obama and his minions do now.
The LVRJ article continues:
More specifically, the group’s members, which number in the thousands, pledge to disobey orders they deem unlawful, including directives to disarm the American people and to blockade American cities. By refusing the latter order, the Oath Keepers hope to prevent cities from becoming “giant concentration camps,” a scenario the 44-year-old Rhodes says he can envision happening in the coming years.
It’s a Cold War-era nightmare vision with a major twist: The occupying forces in this imagined future are American, not Soviet.
“The whole point of Oath Keepers is to stop a dictatorship from ever happening here,” Rhodes, a former Army paratrooper and Yale-trained lawyer, said in an interview with the Review-Journal. “My focus is on the guys with the guns, because they can’t do it without them.
“We say if the American people decide it’s time for a revolution, we’ll fight with you.”
That type of rhetoric has caught the attention of groups that track extremist activity in the United States.
Including the US government, the FBI, the Southern Poverty Law Center?
Extremist?
Here is the oath I took, originally, back in 1973:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, the State of California, against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
Oddly enough, this is the same oath sworn by various state and federal law enforcement and military personnel.
Myself, as well.
So, under Oath Keepers, my original oath is now, somehow, deemed threatening to the current Obama Administration?
Because I am an EDUCATED MAN with regard to my own Constitution and because, after all, I am not only knowledgeable with its content and also with its implications and interpretations?
And that these so-called “interpretations” may possibly not be “in keeping” with the goals and directions of the current Obama Administration? To continue from the LVRJ article:
What Rhodes terms “the rise of executive privilege” during the post-9/11 years of the Bush presidency will in his opinion only accelerate with Obama in office. What’s worse, he said, is that “gun-hating extremists” now control the White House.
Two things have happened since the Homeland Security Department and Southern Poverty Law Center released their reports on extremism: Membership of Oath Keepers has spiked dramatically. And Rhodes has had to do a lot of explaining.
“We’re not a militia,” he said. “And we’re not part and parcel of the white supremacist movement. I loathe white supremacists.”
Oath Keepers doesn’t offer paramilitary training; nor does it have a military command structure. It instead has board members, which include directors in seven states and outreach coordinators to currently serving local and federal law enforcement and military personnel. The group’s state director in Montana, who goes by the name Elias Alias, has said Montana and other states should consider seceding from the United States in protest of the federal government’s conduct.
And myself as well. I am not a white supremacist. I am, however, a believer in the oath that I swore. Twice.
But more pointedly:
Rhodes said he hopes Oath Keepers members think about the lawfulness of day-to-day orders they receive.
For example, if a police officer feels he is being asked to do an illegal search of a home or vehicle, he should stand down.
Rhodes eventually wants to create a legal defense fund for Oath Keepers who are disciplined by their employers for defying orders they deem unlawful or immoral.
“The message to law enforcement is not to become a tool of oppression,” he said.
And to the Obama Administration I say:
If you were NOT afraid of the lawful and proper dissemination of information, thoughts, opinions — you would NOT be attempting to dissuade anyone or any organization from any speech. There wouldn’t be a concerted effort to discredit Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
Free Speech is the BEST speech. And dissenting speech should be the MOST PROTECTED speech of all.
So sayeth the hallowed First Amendment.
To Mr Obama: your attempt to silence dissenters is, in fact, FASCISM.
It is a truism and an appropriate label. DEAL with it.
BZ
I am happy you’ve admitted that our current administration is more fascist than anything. That is so damned sad how they try to defame the oathkeepers, they’ve done it to tax protestors and anyone who dare speak out against Obama. Alan Keyes has become a laughing stock despite bringing up legitimate points.
Obama is pushing Fascism, as defined by Mussolini if not leftist “intellectuals”, but he and his followers will never admit it. They will excuse it in the name of progress. His arrogant elitism and contempt for the unwashed masses outside of the beltway is so obvious.
Come on 2010 and 2012.
We can only hope about 2010 and 2012. The ball is best played at your LOCAL political level. I have contributed and lobbied heavily for my LOCAL man, Tom McClintock — who would be not only an excellent governor but president as well.
BZ
Oh for crying out loud. No, they’re not terrorists, but they are stupid teabaggers. Suck on more lies wingnuts!
Deaconbleu: lies? Such as what? Wingnut? For telling the truth? Gimme a break.
BZ
I would love to hear MORE from deaconblue, other than the BS screed he’s already spewed…
An OATH… BZ, the left has no concept of oath, duty, honor, dignity… None whatsoever… As is witnessed every day in this nation, on MSM broadcasts and in reading blogs and comments…
TF: I’d submit, that’s a “given.”
BZ
These issues will be decided in the Supreme Court. It is not the perogative of of bunch of low brow rednecks to decide which laws they will or won’t follow because they feel that they are unconstitutional. If you truly feel this is unconstitutional, get the best lawyers and fight it out before the Supreme Court. These guys sound like they want to overthrow out government because they didn’t like the way the election worked out. Too bad, so sad. Learn to deal with it.
I took the same oath. If you think you will overthrow the government you will deal with me and every other real American.
I’m noticing a pattern of old white males (MR excluded) angry at what, I don’t know. That thier supremacy is threatened? Blowing off steam in these kind of blogs. That’s fine as long as it ends here. My fear is that some young people will be misguided (McViegh) and kill some people. This sticks of the outrage of Ruby Ridge and David Koresh. If it goes too far it can only end badly. As a cop, BZ you need to either resign or end this now.
Some folks on the left DID take the oath, and once again, they prove that they have NO understanding OF that oath or Oath Keepers…
I don’t think Oath Keepers have said they want to overthrow the government, not yet anyway, BUT, “defend against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic”, I am personally of the belief that our nation has far more enemies within, and that would be within the Obama Administration…
Does it not make sense that IF Obama and Company ARE the real enemy, if they are the communists, Fascists, socialists and Marxists many of us believe them to be, would it not be the duty of the military and police, past and present, to remove that enemy and defend the constitution of the United States?
You’d still stand beside Obama and Company Tim? Is THAT what you’re saying?
Methinks Tim is a bit ignorant of American history…
Tim, this nation was BORN of revolution and overthrown tyranny… We are rapidly slipping back into that tyranny, perhaps even more so… Once in a while, a bit of revolution is a good thing…
TF- Make up your mind. Last week Obama was a Nazi, this week he is a Commie. I support the legally elected government of the USA. Period. You want a revolution? Bring it. There’s plenty of “leftie loons” like myself who have the skills, firearms, training to support this government. You do not get to change the outcome of an election by force. We will defend our country and God willing, rid it of traitors who seek to destroy it.
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And Tim, the communists, Fascists, socialists and Marxists thing? That’s called *multiple choice*…
Obviously confusing for you…
One thing I really like about BZ’s blog? Thinking is required, RIGHT thinking, and some folks just don’t have the capacity…
The traitors ARE the government Tim, but again, your *burn* for Obama, coupled with your libber mind set, clouds any logical train of thought or reason…
What Barack Himself Obama and his goons in the White House are planning is in fact a counter-revolution, a revolution to overturn the two of the main principles the founders fought for—individaulism and nationalism. They would repalace these two with collectivism and internationalism.
Elections are but a mile post in the ongoing struggle and never, never an end result. Political discourse will always continue and those who opposed Obama will not fall at his feet and worship simply because he won an election—how foolish and unAmerican. If anything those who oppose this madman will gain in strengh and in numbers and this would be tyrant will one day be a mere footnote in the future history books that will be written my Patriotic Americans and not one written by UnPatriotic Americans who are members of a failing counter-revolution.
No one is talking about overthrowing the government at this point.
But, remember, governments have been known to be overthrown now and again. We just happen to do it with elections here in the good ‘ol USofA!!!
Read this because it defines the left:
Author Unknown
If a conservative does not like guns, he does not buy one.
If a liberal does not like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he does not eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he does not go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in labor and then sues.
If a conservative reads this, he’ll link to it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will type in the url for the ACLU because he’s “offended”.
-j-
“No one is talking about overthrowing the government at this point.
But, remember, governments have been known to be overthrown now and again. We just happen to do it with elections here in the good ‘ol USofA!!!”
This is the point I am trying to make. James and I agree. Lib or Con as long as there is an ELECTION. Is that RIGHT THINKING enough for, Freddie?
Well no Timmie, actually, it’s not, and James isn’t agreeing with you, he made a statement, a great one…
My God Timmie, are you really THAT challenged? And THAT desperate? There is none so blind as he who will NOT see, and Timmie, Ray Charles was 20/20 up next to you…
Timmie, you never said a word about using an election to overthrow this asshat in the White House, you just continue to declare your undying love Timmie…
Now, here’s the deal Timmie, when you drop the sarcasm, I will as well, until then, you’ll get as good as you give, likely better, because let’s face it Timmie, you’re not too bright…
It’s YOUR call Timmie, my name is Fred, or Tex if you like, and yours is Tim, if you’re MAN enough to accept that, cool, if not, Timmie it is…
Fred, are you telling me that Obama is NOT the elected president of these here United States?
Are you saying that he is your enemy?
Are you saying that as such, his administration should be overthrown by revolution?
Talking about being dense. You cannot be a “Fascists, socialists and Marxists ” Your words pal. Read a book on politcal science instead of making up your own definitions for words. “It’s called multiple choice” is ridiculous. Fascists believe that corporations should control the government. MR- Bush was a facscist administration. Socialism is an economic idealogy. Just like capitalism. You can have a “Socialist Democracy” or “Fascist Capitalism”. Are you still with me Fred? Can you follow that?
The Constitution needs to be protected FROM people like you, not BY people like you.
How is James not agreeing with me that if you want “Regime Change” in America you do it by legal elections?
Really, I don’t know why I bother with you.
You think you’re big and bad down there in Tejas, huh? Try starting something with the US military and see how fast you cry uncle.
Ron: thanks for reading, and thanks for taking the time to comment. “Collectivism and internationalism” — ? I would concur.
James: thanks for visiting and thanks for taking the time to comment and please come back. You make a thorough and EXCELLENT point about actual “tolerance” as opposed to how tolerance is played out in philosophies!
And Tim: a low brow redneck? Actually, I believe you to be wrong. Quite frankly, it IS up to me and those who believe in the Constitution that they swore to uphold as to whether or not the men and women that I supervise determine HOW we will “interpret” the Constitution in my area — whether, upon some future order which may or may not come — we decide to actually carry out an order or even a new law mandating the forced entry, for example, into American residences simply for a search of firearms you may be THOUGHT to possess — absent a warrant.
Quite actually, you’d be best served to be very glad there are those of us, like myself, extant, who WILL stand up precisely for the Constitution and who believe that YOUR individual rights trump those of a single and possibly one-termed regime when it comes to considering the foundation of this nation. Because if and when the time comes there WILL be those sufficiently ignorant in the military and civilian law enforcement groups who will do as told even though, ignorant as they may be, all the hairs are standing up on the back of their necks.
I will keep my oath and, yes, in the field, it is I who gets to decide just how the Constitution, quite literally, is meted out, kept or not kept. I am either the FIRST line of DEFENSE or I am the first line of abrogation. And I shall always err on the side of YOUR, Tim, individual freedoms.
I cannot possibly see how this can be bad for our nation. It is what I swore to do and what I am paid to do. At the time I was sworn in, it was what my agency, state and nation EXPECTED me to do.
BZ
Tim said: Fred, are you telling me that Obama is NOT the elected president of these here United States?
Are you saying that he is your enemy?
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Tim, he IS the elected POTUS, don’t for one minute think otherwise… But yes, HE, and his administration ARE the enemy, the enemy within…
Revolution? Perhaps… It IS rapidly approaching that stage of the game…
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Tim said: Talking about being dense. You cannot be a “Fascists, socialists and Marxists ” Your words pal.
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As I said, it was *multiple choice*, and that blew your little mind, sorry, I’ll try to use small words and fewer choices in the future to avoid confusing your minuscule reasoning abilities…
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Tim said: The Constitution needs to be protected FROM people like you, not BY people like you.
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The constitution needs to be protected from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic… I see more domestic enemies than foreign of late… And Obama is the epitome of constitutional enemy…
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Tim said: Really, I don’t know why I bother with you.
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So, stop, go away… Works for me, you’re no challenge, and quite frankly, I believe you are too dense to educate and too liberal to care… And BZ’s blog would smell a lot better!
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Tim said: You think you’re big and bad down there in Tejas, huh? Try starting something with the US military and see how fast you cry uncle.
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Tim, again, I know there’s a serious issue with your understanding the concept of *OATH KEEPERS*, maybe it’s genetic, who knows, so let’s just let it go for now, I don’t feel like teaching a Civics class today..
BZ, smaller words man… Smaller words… You’re dealing with a monosyllabic libber that actually believes calling someone a *low brow redneck* is a brilliant retort…
@deaconbleu I protected your sorry ass so that you could have the fundamental right to make that comment. Congratulations for exercising your freedom of speech.
Now…if you’d care to continue to make such stupid statements to and about a bunch of folks who know how to use the talents they learned protecting your sorry ass, than you’re even dumber than I thought you were.
Tim,
You silly little lemming, perhaps you did swear an oath (I don’t for one second believe it), even so, you clearly have no understanding of what this country represents, and why so many across the globe has risked life and limb to assume the American Dream. So let me remind you of a couple of very important statements:
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Thomas Jefferson.
Tim’s question: Are you saying that he is your enemy?
Actually, BHO said I am HIS enemy, when his administration called me a “right wing extremist”, “domestic terrorist”, and part of a “mob”. Me…. a little old lady, living quietly in Tennessee, with her spouse and cats. Go figure. Why? Because I too support the Constitution, am against the slaughter of innocent babies, and will stand with my brothers and sisters to fight against tyranny.
Gawfer, as I said earlier, “Methinks Tim is a bit ignorant of American history…
Tim, this nation was BORN of revolution and overthrown tyranny… We are rapidly slipping back into that tyranny, perhaps even more so… Once in a while, a bit of revolution is a good thing…”
Tim knows NOTHING of our history and the very foundation of America..
Well I’ll take what ever oath needed, and enforce my words with lead, knife point or arrow tip in protection of our nation. THAT MEANS for little minds like Timmy I’ll be happy to “Bring it” if it is needed to be brought.
Folks like ol Timmy, the “Follow Obama at all cost” are the same type of douchebags that followed GWB at all cost. They are political party lap dogs and can’t see the forest for the trees.
They see Obama as the messiah, the “One” the master of the universe…BUT he hasn’t in over 9 months done anything other than follow GWB’s template. The same morons (Like Timmy) bitched and moaned about GWB are OK with Obama doing the very same thing…Well other than the apology tour, and leaving our men and women out in the desert with no backing from the muzzy in chief.
Gads, here we all go yet again. Getting into a battle of wits with unarmed opponents…
Tim does type well though, so I suppose he did make it past eighth grade. Bet he didn’t have to take a Constitution test like I did to get beyond though.
I swore the very same oath that BZ did in 1970,and a slightly different one in 73′ as well as later on in various places and positions. Now I wonder if any of the people that I took care of were like Tim.. Makes you wonder if it was worth all that. Not for long though. Most folks are decent and good hearted, even if they are incredibly stupid sometimes.
Gawfer- U.S. Coast Guard. 1980-84. Honorably Discharged, recommended for re-enlistment and also served in the reserves. Not only Republicans love thier country, you little Rush Limlaugh Glenn Beck lemming. You mouth off about service as long as it requires no sacrifice on YOUR part. Nice cut and paste job on the Declaration of Independence.
TF- I know plenty about US history. You are focused on the Revolutionary war, why don’t you read up on the Civil War, you ignorant tub of bullshit. You said you want to communicate on a higher plane and then go right back to insults. Typical Republican.
BZ- It is your duty to disobey an unlawful order. We have no arguement there. When I said that you should resign in the earlier comment that is what I was talking about.
I was just reading Yahoo news the other day. It indicated that only 23% of registered voters believe that Republicans have any solutions to the USA’s current problems. 63% said they would “very likely” vote Democrat in 2010. You guys are in the 23%. But look, calling people idiots, accusing them of lying about being a military veteran, and being ignorant of history will not win converts. You just further marginalize your position, party, and your own self interest. Thank God for Beck and Limbaugh for chasing all of the RINO’s (I guess I used to be one of those, having voted for Reagan and Dole) out of the Party! Before long the GOP will have about 50 people left in it.
@Tim Yahoo news? Really? Now there’s a reliable source, if ever there was one. /snark
Try Rasmussen: The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 42% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent.
Support for Democrats dropped two points this week, while support for the GOP slightly increased.
Voters not affiliated with either party heavily favor the GOP, 40% to 23%.
Kate- It was an AP poll. I could say the same about Rasmussen, as they are far from neutral having been paid by the Bush White House.
I like TN. One of my fav. tourist attractions is the Parthenon. Also been to Andrew Jackson’s estate.
http://timsblogfest.blogspot.com/2007/05/more-travels.html
I have also been to Knoxville. Pretty mountains. Too bad they are too far south to get enough snow to ski on.
Tim said: TF- I know plenty about US history. You are focused on the Revolutionary war, why don’t you read up on the Civil War, you ignorant tub of bullshit.
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And now you resort to more name calling Tim? You are playing on the level of a Jr High kid Tim.
I DO know about the War of Northern Aggression, I AM a history buff Tim, and the comparison between the revolutionary war and the War of Northern Aggression is not that *apples and oranges* thing we hear so much about.
The late 1700’s were about getting out from under the tyranny of the English, the 1860’s were about states rights. (Go ahead and show us ALL how smart you are Tim, tell me it was about slavery)
Tyranny is what we are on the verge of seeing again, from our own government, if that doesn’t bother you, if you’re OK with that, great, good for you, but I am NOT going to be crushed under the heel of a poser like Barack Hussein Obama or his minions.
Now, there you have it. I AM an Oath Keeper, you’re NOT apparently, and I find that not the least surprising…
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You said you want to communicate on a higher plane and then go right back to insults.
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I never said anything even remotely close to that Tim. Are you are an ignorant wretch AND a LIAR? Do you have to make things up as you go Tim? Or do you simply spew so much that you forget your place, who said what and so forth?
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Typical Republican.
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Tim, do try to keep up with current events and positions. I know it’s not easy for you, but at least try.
If you had ANY reading comprehension at all you would have seen it posted, repeatedly, I’m NOT a Republican, never have been, never will be. It seems your utter ignorance knows NO bounds…
Tim, there would be a hell of a mess if this nation ever went to war on itself again, but it can happen, and perhaps it should.
The American dream is being usurped by a Kenyan tyrant. This nation is being destroyed from within, and some of us ARE willing to fight, and DIE if necessary, to save America from the clutches of Obama…
And Tim, at this point in time, about 75% of the U.S. military is more than ready to take a stand AGAINST Obama, as well as at least 65% of American police forces. The outcome would be a lot different than the *Obama marches in and crushes the rabble* scenario you have fluttering around in that vast expanse of desolation you call a brain pan…
“War of Northern Aggression” what a joke. I’m sure Jim Crow and the civil rights era were made up by the Liberals to make the south look bad, too. Fred, you should be in a museum display case.
“Kenyan Tyrant” Are you a birther, too.
Please Texas, form your own country and we’ll let everybody like Fred move there.
You are on another planet if you think the US military will support you.
Gawfer- U.S. Coast Guard. 1980-84. Honorably Discharged, recommended for re-enlistment and also served in the reserves. Not only Republicans love thier country, you little Rush Limlaugh Glenn Beck lemming. You mouth off about service as long as it requires no sacrifice on YOUR part. Nice cut and paste job on the Declaration of Independence.
Well, as I work for a living, I’m not afforded the opportunity to listen to Limbaugh or Beck. As far as mouthing off about service, I am a Veteran, USN, and a little before you. (And from a squid’s point of view, the Coast Guard is USN lite). Nice little boats they have though.
Lastly, I’m glad you recognized the declaration of Independence. I’m just disappointed of your inability to understand it, and btw, I didn’t think it needed a citation because its relevance is obvious.
Oh, and nice that your source of news is Yahoo. Between Susan Olsen raising her teenage son and Caroline Wozniacki’s gesture of sportsmanship, I bet you’re quite the authority in the office. So let me ask; who do you listen to? I’m guessing you’re a big Dr. Laura fan, huh.
LOL!
Tim, polls are just that….polls. There are no facts behind them. I was trying to prove a point, but I guess it was missed.
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. ~ Benjamin Franklin
Gawfer- So now you insult the Coast Guard. Very nice. I work for a living as well. I’m in the medical field, as I have devoted my life to the service of my fellow man. I’ll not take the bait and insult the Navy. Squids are a fine bunch of people. I will say this. The Guard is out there rescuing everyday. Not practicing for something that might happen.
I very good friend of mine was a Navy rescue swimmer.
And no I don’t listen to Dr. whoever.
Kate- touche. You show others here how to disagree without being disagreeable. Certainly a trait in short supply in this arena. I salute you.
And Gawfer, watch an episode of “Deadliest Catch” and tell me how easy the USCG has it.
Don’t get too excited Tim. I happen to agree with the majority of what has been said here. 🙂
Coasties… Squids with small boats and smaller weapons… LMAO
Tim just got PWNED by a Squid! Outstanding Gawfer, simply outstanding!
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Tim said: You are on another planet if you think the US military will support you.
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Not a case of thinking Tim, a case of knowing!
And Tim, The War of Northern Aggression was just that. The South fought like hell for a while too, we thought those damned Yankees wanted the land, the whiskey and the women. When we found out what they really wanted, well hell, why fight? Take em and go!
And Tim, just for giggles there *bright boy*, which flag flew over slavery the longest??
The Confederate Flag or the American Flag?
And tell me this genius, WHO held the most slaves? And WHO held em 1st? North or South?
The War of Northern Aggression was no more about slavery than the Iraq war was about Iraqi freedom…
“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.” Samuel Adams, 1776
I believe those times are rapidly approaching, if not already here…
Man up, Tim.
I insult every branch of service other than than the USN… Especially the Marine Corps because there’s a special place in my chest for those silly Jarheads… after all, they are a part of the Department of the Navy. But I do not insult theirs or your service.
Heck, one of my best friends just made Master Seargent and is stationed on my old stomping Rock; Okinawa. So, though other comments were intended to insult you, (Dr Laura) I don’t insult your service.
If you were a Coastie, you’d understand the inter-service rivalry, so again, man up.